Fitting the Indigenous piece into your employment puzzle


As the longest living civilisation, Indigenous people have a wealth of experience, skills and knowledge. But are we doing enough to engage this talent in the workforce?

Despite a federal government program aimed at halving the Indigenous employment gap by this year, the most recent data available shows the gap has widened over the past decade. The Indigenous employment rate fell from 48 per cent in 2006 to 46.6 per cent in 2016. The data also shows that younger members of the Indigenous community aren’t receiving enough education, training or employment opportunities.

To mark NAIDOC week, we take a look at what organisations can do to better engage Indigenous talent, especially the up-and-coming generation of new hires.

Pushing through barriers, small and large

Babana Aboriginal was created 14 years ago to empower local Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in inner-Sydney. The organisation focuses on health and wellbeing, cultural engagement and employment.

Community leader and Babana’s founder Mark Spinks says Indigenous people continue to suffer discrimination in employment.

While there are many big challenges for Indigenous people to overcome – such as systemic racism and their own historical trauma – there are also smaller barriers, such as not having a driver’s licence or enough money for public transport, he says.

That makes it difficult to get to an interview or to get to work every day.

Clothes are also important. “We’ve had clothes donated to us from Tarocash for several years now. The guys can then go into a job interview with a suit on; they feel so good about themselves. It’s so simple that a shirt, a tie and a suit can make you want to do something with your life. But no one acknowledges that closing the gap is all these things. If you don’t put all the small pieces together to make a strong foundation, how can you build on that?”

Mentoring: the domino effect

What can organisations do to start bridging the employment gap? Spinks says mentoring is key.

Having notched up 20 years’ experience at Centrelink, Spinks is no stranger to finding work for vulnerable people.

He recalls a time when he placed two Aboriginal boys into jobs. They quit after a week and the employers complained to Spinks. However, he could see the fundamental flaw that they couldn’t, “there was no mentoring in place and they encountered severe discrimination”.

“They didn’t even have enough money for the bus fares. I’m a big believer that all these things can be fixed through good mentoring.”

Since Babana’s inception, the organisation has helped to get 350 people into work. The positive effects of this are a crucial part of the program’s success.

“When you employ an Aboriginal person, it has a domino effect on their family. If everyone in your family is on welfare, what do you think you’re going to do?”

“An example of that is a young girl who I placed in a job with Jetstar a while back. About three months ago, I got onto a plane and I heard this voice singing out “Uncle Mark!” and it was her, she was still there.”

Spinks invited her to speak at an employment expo in Redfern and she was a hit with those attending. “All the young school girls were following her around asking how they can do that job too,” says Spinks.

Spinks also placed importance on the need for more cultural competency programs, stating that non-Indigenous staff should remember that it’s not a blame game.

“We acknowledge what happened 200 years ago, but if we don’t look into the future then we’re just going to be stuck there in the past. I choose to move on, while also never forgetting what happened.

“Since my years working in the government, I’ve heard so much about closing the gap. It’s about more than just Indigenous health, it’s about education, self-esteem and treating your family well. I believe that closing the gap is about putting Indigenous people back in the game.”

The Indigenous perspective

Worimi woman, Michelle Perry, says employers need to do more than write a policy about Indigenous employment.

There’s a lack of implementation of Indigenous employment policies “across the board”, she says. If an organisation is serious about wanting to employ more Indigenous talent, they’ve got to walk the talk.

Perry shared some more tips to help organisations close the employment gap:

  • Invite Indigenous people to sit on committees and boards, to include them in the organisation’s conversation.
  • Provide a supportive and respectful mentor for Indigenous employees. “Finding a great mentor is so important.”
  • Set-up monthly networking events for Indigenous staff and ask one person to put their ideas forward, “because not everyone feels comfortable doing that”.
  • Consider having smaller interview panels and make sure there is Indigenous representation. 
  • If you’re unsure about the best way to go about something, ask the community. Find someone in the community who works at a grassroots level that you can contact for a different perspective. “They can help to keep your service a little more grounded and down to earth when you’re looking to have one of our mob come on board.”
  • Don’t treat an Indigenous employee as the spokesperson for their entire culture. “Some services will take on an Aboriginal person and then just assume that person knows everything about being black and they’ll pass all Indigenous stuff onto them. That’s not right because different communities have different ways. We can’t be expected to know everything about each other.”

What strategies does your organisation have in place to support Indigenous staff? Share your comments below.

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Gemma
5 years ago

We have agreements in place with training providers, who focus on Indigenous students. We connect with the students in their first week of training and several times throughout the course. We provide the students with 120 hrs placement as part of their course and we utilise placement as both learning and interview process. Our success rate has been fantastic with more than 90% of the Indigenous students being employed by the company at the completion of their course.

Sulal Mathai
Sulal Mathai
5 years ago

Thanks Kate for sharing the insights. Danila Dilba Health Service is an aboriginal health service with 50% Indigenous staff and with all our Clinic Managers and General Managers Indigenous making 60% of Indigenous representation in Executive Leadership team. We have achieved it through Traineeships, cultural awareness training, student placements and supporting staff through leave provisions such as Family Violence and Religious/Cultural Leave. Initiatives such as Formal Mentoring and Coaching Program assisted staff to develop their pathways to leadership level in the organisation.

Mark Almond
Mark Almond
5 years ago

Hi Kate, Great article! I am part of a team working for the Australian Government Department of Jobs and Small Business to strategically engage with business and industry. My footprint is across the Central Coast, Hunter, New England, Mid North Coast and North Coast of NSW – regions where a higher than average proportion of Indigenous people live and work. I concur with Mark and Michelle on the challenges and strategies they’ve highlighted as practical ways to help engage, support and unlock the value Indigenous staff can bring to a business. In some of the regions I engage with, their… Read more »

Robert Leigh Compton FAHRI
Robert Leigh Compton FAHRI
5 years ago

We set up an Indigenous employment program at the former Integral Energy around 1996 so this is not new. We hired an indigenous HR internal consultant who went out into the community to persuade Aboriginal people to apply for positions. At the interviews they were on their own merits. Several gained apprenticeships and two won NSW Apprentice of the Year awards. Several gained positions in our shop fronts and were very successful. Not one of the stereotypes we heard about proved valid. The local indigenous community awarded us the title of Aboriginal friendly. Good for their community and good for… Read more »

Felicity Collard
Felicity Collard
5 years ago

I am an Aboriginal lady who has been actively looking for work for the past 6 months now. I’m also studying online for my grad cert in commerce and shall continue to compete, my masters, I have completed two courses in HRM. I have the skills and knowledge, drivers license, money as I budget well. However, I feel deflated by the knockbacks and lift my spirits and refocus on my goal. The only significant thing I have encountered lately is passing a cognitive test for the Department of Social Services – Graduate Development Program Affirmative Measures Indigenous 2019, and will… Read more »

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Fitting the Indigenous piece into your employment puzzle


As the longest living civilisation, Indigenous people have a wealth of experience, skills and knowledge. But are we doing enough to engage this talent in the workforce?

Despite a federal government program aimed at halving the Indigenous employment gap by this year, the most recent data available shows the gap has widened over the past decade. The Indigenous employment rate fell from 48 per cent in 2006 to 46.6 per cent in 2016. The data also shows that younger members of the Indigenous community aren’t receiving enough education, training or employment opportunities.

To mark NAIDOC week, we take a look at what organisations can do to better engage Indigenous talent, especially the up-and-coming generation of new hires.

Pushing through barriers, small and large

Babana Aboriginal was created 14 years ago to empower local Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in inner-Sydney. The organisation focuses on health and wellbeing, cultural engagement and employment.

Community leader and Babana’s founder Mark Spinks says Indigenous people continue to suffer discrimination in employment.

While there are many big challenges for Indigenous people to overcome – such as systemic racism and their own historical trauma – there are also smaller barriers, such as not having a driver’s licence or enough money for public transport, he says.

That makes it difficult to get to an interview or to get to work every day.

Clothes are also important. “We’ve had clothes donated to us from Tarocash for several years now. The guys can then go into a job interview with a suit on; they feel so good about themselves. It’s so simple that a shirt, a tie and a suit can make you want to do something with your life. But no one acknowledges that closing the gap is all these things. If you don’t put all the small pieces together to make a strong foundation, how can you build on that?”

Mentoring: the domino effect

What can organisations do to start bridging the employment gap? Spinks says mentoring is key.

Having notched up 20 years’ experience at Centrelink, Spinks is no stranger to finding work for vulnerable people.

He recalls a time when he placed two Aboriginal boys into jobs. They quit after a week and the employers complained to Spinks. However, he could see the fundamental flaw that they couldn’t, “there was no mentoring in place and they encountered severe discrimination”.

“They didn’t even have enough money for the bus fares. I’m a big believer that all these things can be fixed through good mentoring.”

Since Babana’s inception, the organisation has helped to get 350 people into work. The positive effects of this are a crucial part of the program’s success.

“When you employ an Aboriginal person, it has a domino effect on their family. If everyone in your family is on welfare, what do you think you’re going to do?”

“An example of that is a young girl who I placed in a job with Jetstar a while back. About three months ago, I got onto a plane and I heard this voice singing out “Uncle Mark!” and it was her, she was still there.”

Spinks invited her to speak at an employment expo in Redfern and she was a hit with those attending. “All the young school girls were following her around asking how they can do that job too,” says Spinks.

Spinks also placed importance on the need for more cultural competency programs, stating that non-Indigenous staff should remember that it’s not a blame game.

“We acknowledge what happened 200 years ago, but if we don’t look into the future then we’re just going to be stuck there in the past. I choose to move on, while also never forgetting what happened.

“Since my years working in the government, I’ve heard so much about closing the gap. It’s about more than just Indigenous health, it’s about education, self-esteem and treating your family well. I believe that closing the gap is about putting Indigenous people back in the game.”

The Indigenous perspective

Worimi woman, Michelle Perry, says employers need to do more than write a policy about Indigenous employment.

There’s a lack of implementation of Indigenous employment policies “across the board”, she says. If an organisation is serious about wanting to employ more Indigenous talent, they’ve got to walk the talk.

Perry shared some more tips to help organisations close the employment gap:

  • Invite Indigenous people to sit on committees and boards, to include them in the organisation’s conversation.
  • Provide a supportive and respectful mentor for Indigenous employees. “Finding a great mentor is so important.”
  • Set-up monthly networking events for Indigenous staff and ask one person to put their ideas forward, “because not everyone feels comfortable doing that”.
  • Consider having smaller interview panels and make sure there is Indigenous representation. 
  • If you’re unsure about the best way to go about something, ask the community. Find someone in the community who works at a grassroots level that you can contact for a different perspective. “They can help to keep your service a little more grounded and down to earth when you’re looking to have one of our mob come on board.”
  • Don’t treat an Indigenous employee as the spokesperson for their entire culture. “Some services will take on an Aboriginal person and then just assume that person knows everything about being black and they’ll pass all Indigenous stuff onto them. That’s not right because different communities have different ways. We can’t be expected to know everything about each other.”

What strategies does your organisation have in place to support Indigenous staff? Share your comments below.

Photo credit: Newtown grafitti

 


Support change and improve diversity outcomes by raising awareness of conscious and unconscious bias in your organisation, with AHRI’s corporate in-house training course ‘Managing unconscious bias’.

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Gemma
Gemma
5 years ago

We have agreements in place with training providers, who focus on Indigenous students. We connect with the students in their first week of training and several times throughout the course. We provide the students with 120 hrs placement as part of their course and we utilise placement as both learning and interview process. Our success rate has been fantastic with more than 90% of the Indigenous students being employed by the company at the completion of their course.

Sulal Mathai
Sulal Mathai
5 years ago

Thanks Kate for sharing the insights. Danila Dilba Health Service is an aboriginal health service with 50% Indigenous staff and with all our Clinic Managers and General Managers Indigenous making 60% of Indigenous representation in Executive Leadership team. We have achieved it through Traineeships, cultural awareness training, student placements and supporting staff through leave provisions such as Family Violence and Religious/Cultural Leave. Initiatives such as Formal Mentoring and Coaching Program assisted staff to develop their pathways to leadership level in the organisation.

Mark Almond
Mark Almond
5 years ago

Hi Kate, Great article! I am part of a team working for the Australian Government Department of Jobs and Small Business to strategically engage with business and industry. My footprint is across the Central Coast, Hunter, New England, Mid North Coast and North Coast of NSW – regions where a higher than average proportion of Indigenous people live and work. I concur with Mark and Michelle on the challenges and strategies they’ve highlighted as practical ways to help engage, support and unlock the value Indigenous staff can bring to a business. In some of the regions I engage with, their… Read more »

Robert Leigh Compton FAHRI
Robert Leigh Compton FAHRI
5 years ago

We set up an Indigenous employment program at the former Integral Energy around 1996 so this is not new. We hired an indigenous HR internal consultant who went out into the community to persuade Aboriginal people to apply for positions. At the interviews they were on their own merits. Several gained apprenticeships and two won NSW Apprentice of the Year awards. Several gained positions in our shop fronts and were very successful. Not one of the stereotypes we heard about proved valid. The local indigenous community awarded us the title of Aboriginal friendly. Good for their community and good for… Read more »

Felicity Collard
Felicity Collard
5 years ago

I am an Aboriginal lady who has been actively looking for work for the past 6 months now. I’m also studying online for my grad cert in commerce and shall continue to compete, my masters, I have completed two courses in HRM. I have the skills and knowledge, drivers license, money as I budget well. However, I feel deflated by the knockbacks and lift my spirits and refocus on my goal. The only significant thing I have encountered lately is passing a cognitive test for the Department of Social Services – Graduate Development Program Affirmative Measures Indigenous 2019, and will… Read more »

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